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Post by AOS on Feb 10, 2015 4:03:46 GMT
The Parliament Organization Act
Noticing that there are only a few citizens that seem to be active in our parliament.
Knowing the amount of time it takes to pass, turn down and repeal legislation.
I Hereby propose that a factbook be created to list citizens who wish to be Members of Parliament and provide relevant information that will be useful to Parliament.
Once bills have be voted on by the entire parliament, the vote can then be concluded without waiting the standard voting period.
Endorsed by:
Denounced by:
Everestopia
Vladovaskia
Vista Major
Unfallious
Sulania
Jaslandia
Name: AOS
Position: Citizen
Commonwealth of Free Nations
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Post by Everestopia on Feb 10, 2015 7:51:07 GMT
I hereby Denounce this bill, on the grounds there is already a list of everyone who is a MP and who may be an MP.
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Post by Vladovaskia on Feb 10, 2015 8:33:26 GMT
I hereby DENOUNCE this bill.
1) This is a horrible bill. This is a place of law, not a place to swing issues without an answer to solving it. It is these types of bills that drive our legal system into the ground and one of the exact reasons I had to reform it during my time as Chancellor, because we have a myriad of bills that have absolutely no purpose and simply make the system more confusing than it needs to be.
2) The time it takes to pass a bill is 7 days, maybe 8 if it requires a Cabinet vote.
3) As Everest has said, there is a list of MPs, it's called the citizenship roster. It's the very reason you're able to post these bills without being elected; we allow ALL citizens to be MPs, as we've decided it is the most democratic, and having participation optional in this type of climate is most efficient.
4) This factbook you speak of would be of little to no use, as here is the actual Parliament itself. Right here. In plain sight.
5) Enforcing a mandatory vote from all (near 40) MPs would literally never happen, therefore making this bill incredibly contradicting to its attempted purpose. We constantly have members dying off and joining that never bother to check the Parliament, and that's completely fine because they want nothing to do with the government, nor do they care to learn the law.
Speaking of the law, I apologize, I really do, for tearing up such a mundane bill, but COLDR was right when he told you to learn the law of the region. Throwing attempts at the wall and hoping they stick doesn't work. There's a reason law in real life requires such an education; because you have to learn how whatever your doing is affected by every single law from the past. A legal system isn't a nice and simple thing, as Vista would probably love to hear me say: it's one of the biggest bureaucratic bodies ever. A good bill should take planning and initiative to write, alongside the better half of an hour or two, if not several, not the spark of a presumed problem and the urge to make yourself known as an author; that only makes you known as a bad author. Please, this goes out to everyone who has written these sort of bills that get shot down all the time, learn what you're doing, if you really want help, I will attempt to help you, no matter which party you're from or what you're attempting.
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Post by AOS on Feb 10, 2015 13:51:40 GMT
I hereby Denounce this bill, on the grounds there is already a list of everyone who is a MP and who may be an MP. But no list of people that indicate that they want to be an MP. Some people become citizens, but decide not to be an MP and not vote in elections. |
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Post by Vista Major on Feb 10, 2015 13:56:05 GMT
I will unfortunately have to DENOUNCE. So few MPs are active, which is quite saddening to say the least. If all bills needed a full-Parliament vote, it would sit here forever. Plus, we aren't in need of an MP Factbook. I'd be willing to endorse if the amount of votes needed was reduced to 8, and the Factbook idea was scrapped.
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Post by AOS on Feb 10, 2015 14:15:50 GMT
I hereby DENOUNCE this bill. 1) This is a horrible bill. This is a place of law, not a place to swing issues without an answer to solving it. It is these types of bills that drive our legal system into the ground and one of the exact reasons I had to reform it during my time as Chancellor, because we have a myriad of bills that have absolutely no purpose and simply make the system more confusing than it needs to be. 2) The time it takes to pass a bill is 7 days, maybe 8 if it requires a Cabinet vote. 3) As Everest has said, there is a list of MPs, it's called the citizenship roster. It's the very reason you're able to post these bills without being elected; we allow ALL citizens to be MPs, as we've decided it is the most democratic, and having participation optional in this type of climate is most efficient. 4) This factbook you speak of would be of little to no use, as here is the actual Parliament itself. Right here. In plain sight. 5) Enforcing a mandatory vote from all (near 40) MPs would literally never happen, therefore making this bill incredibly contradicting to its attempted purpose. We constantly have members dying off and joining that never bother to check the Parliament, and that's completely fine because they want nothing to do with the government, nor do they care to learn the law. Speaking of the law, I apologize, I really do, for tearing up such a mundane bill, but COLDR was right when he told you to learn the law of the region. Throwing attempts at the wall and hoping they stick doesn't work. There's a reason law in real life requires such an education; because you have to learn how whatever your doing is affected by every single law from the past. A legal system isn't a nice and simple thing, as Vista would probably love to hear me say: it's one of the biggest bureaucratic bodies ever. A good bill should take planning and initiative to write, alongside the better half of an hour or two, if not several, not the spark of a presumed problem and the urge to make yourself known as an author; that only makes you known as a bad author. Please, this goes out to everyone who has written these sort of bills that get shot down all the time, learn what you're doing, if you really want help, I will attempt to help you, no matter which party you're from or what you're attempting. 1) This bill is not horrible and will actually be useful. You say my other bills are not practical, yet you say this one is a waste. This is exactly why I hate your stupid parliament. How is anyone suppose to pass anything if people like you just say 'no' because it's not a bill that they made. 2) But what I'm saying is if everyone has voted in parliament, there's no point in holding things up. I can then go to Cabinet if it passes. 3) Again, how many of they said that they want to be MP's? I bet less then a third of them actually participate in the parliament. That's why I'm asking for a list of citizens that are actually active and do want to be MP's. 4) With all do respect, not everyone likes or uses this site. Factbooks are the things you use in Nation States and you use it for citizenship, our constitution and political parties. I don't think I see a problem with having another factbook. 5) Your misinterpreting the bill. I'm not saying all citizens, I saying all MP's. Not all citizens want to be MP's. If they want to, they can say so, just don't hold up our parliament. All I'm asking is a simple factbook with the names of people that would like to be MP's. I don't see what could be wrong with that because it would actually make legistlation happen much faster. It may be a small bill, but it's certainly not a random one. It has structure and is a good idea. It's easy for you to be the critic because you have yet to propose anything after the election. So I say actually propose something to help the region instead of destroying others chances to do so. |
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Post by AOS on Feb 10, 2015 14:18:39 GMT
I will unfortunately have to DENOUNCE. So few MPs are active, which is quite saddening to say the least. If all bills needed a full-Parliament vote, it would sit here forever. Plus, we aren't in need of an MP Factbook. I'd be willing to endorse if the amount of votes needed was reduced to 8, and the Factbook idea was scrapped. I'm saying active Members of Parliament, not citizens. Those who want to be MP's can be added to a parliament factbook and would then know who else needs to vote before it can quickly be moved on the the next phase. |
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Post by Everestopia on Feb 10, 2015 15:41:59 GMT
I hereby Denounce this bill, on the grounds there is already a list of everyone who is a MP and who may be an MP. But no list of people that indicate that they want to be an MP. Some people become citizens, but decide not to be an MP and not vote in elections. They have every right to abstain or not take part in parliamentary sessions. However, they have the choice. As they should. |
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Post by Unfallious on Feb 10, 2015 16:01:56 GMT
Citizens _are_ MPs. Did you read that thing I posted on the RMB?
Denounced.
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Post by Vladovaskia on Feb 10, 2015 17:31:19 GMT
I hereby DENOUNCE this bill. 1) This is a horrible bill. This is a place of law, not a place to swing issues without an answer to solving it. It is these types of bills that drive our legal system into the ground and one of the exact reasons I had to reform it during my time as Chancellor, because we have a myriad of bills that have absolutely no purpose and simply make the system more confusing than it needs to be. 2) The time it takes to pass a bill is 7 days, maybe 8 if it requires a Cabinet vote. 3) As Everest has said, there is a list of MPs, it's called the citizenship roster. It's the very reason you're able to post these bills without being elected; we allow ALL citizens to be MPs, as we've decided it is the most democratic, and having participation optional in this type of climate is most efficient. 4) This factbook you speak of would be of little to no use, as here is the actual Parliament itself. Right here. In plain sight. 5) Enforcing a mandatory vote from all (near 40) MPs would literally never happen, therefore making this bill incredibly contradicting to its attempted purpose. We constantly have members dying off and joining that never bother to check the Parliament, and that's completely fine because they want nothing to do with the government, nor do they care to learn the law. Speaking of the law, I apologize, I really do, for tearing up such a mundane bill, but COLDR was right when he told you to learn the law of the region. Throwing attempts at the wall and hoping they stick doesn't work. There's a reason law in real life requires such an education; because you have to learn how whatever your doing is affected by every single law from the past. A legal system isn't a nice and simple thing, as Vista would probably love to hear me say: it's one of the biggest bureaucratic bodies ever. A good bill should take planning and initiative to write, alongside the better half of an hour or two, if not several, not the spark of a presumed problem and the urge to make yourself known as an author; that only makes you known as a bad author. Please, this goes out to everyone who has written these sort of bills that get shot down all the time, learn what you're doing, if you really want help, I will attempt to help you, no matter which party you're from or what you're attempting. 1) This bill is not horrible and will actually be useful. You say my other bills are not practical, yet you say this one is a waste. This is exactly why I hate your stupid parliament. How is anyone suppose to pass anything if people like you just say 'no' because it's not a bill that they made. 2) But what I'm saying is if everyone has voted in parliament, there's no point in holding things up. I can then go to Cabinet if it passes. 3) Again, how many of they said that they want to be MP's? I bet less then a third of them actually participate in the parliament. That's why I'm asking for a list of citizens that are actually active and do want to be MP's. 4) With all do respect, not everyone likes or uses this site. Factbooks are the things you use in Nation States and you use it for citizenship, our constitution and political parties. I don't think I see a problem with having another factbook. 5) Your misinterpreting the bill. I'm not saying all citizens, I saying all MP's. Not all citizens want to be MP's. If they want to, they can say so, just don't hold up our parliament. All I'm asking is a simple factbook with the names of people that would like to be MP's. I don't see what could be wrong with that because it would actually make legistlation happen much faster. It may be a small bill, but it's certainly not a random one. It has structure and is a good idea. It's easy for you to be the critic because you have yet to propose anything after the election. So I say actually propose something to help the region instead of destroying others chances to do so. 1) First of all, excellent job remaining professional. However, primarily, I must engage that this bill, though now I can actually understand your intentions and I do see your point, still does not accomplish what you want. It is a poorly written bill that actually DOESN'T accomplish half of what you want, because you didn't write it that way. I still don't agree with what you're trying to do, but what you're trying to do and this bill are two separate things. That's why I said people need to learn to write bills, as this one obviously doesn't express what you want, it leaves vague swathes of ideas, and in a legal standpoint, that is not good. I don't mean to be rude, yet you need to learn how to logically write. We're not grammar sticklers here, but writing in a logical and concise manner will help you get bills through, and it'll definitely be a helpful skill later in life. Secondly, we don't "just say no," because we didn't write it. If you'll look in the archives you'll see plenty of bills that pass. Even Vista has passed quite a few bills. And everytime we say no, we usually cite a specific reason. 2 & 3) Digressing from your bill and looking at what you want to actually accomplish, this still wouldn't work and would be horribly undemocratic. Like you said, it would lead to most likely less than a third of citizens being MPs, I would say even smaller than that. If you want them to be MPs based off of activity, I'd say we'd have about 6. Those 6 being the already elected government officials. Also, for certain bills that garner major attention, such as the recent COMMAND Act spills, masses of voters turned out for it, and those masses rarely vote. You'd be disenfranchising them from even having a chance. And the week long rule isn't holding up anything, quite the contrary. If we had to wait for a vote from everyone, it could drag on for weeks. The week long rule allows for every willing citizen to have time to read the bill, cast a vote if they'd like, have a debate over the bill if they'd like, and still keeps the bill moving through Parliament in a timely manner. 4) Well, with all do respect, no one in our region has a track record of being excellent with upkeeping factbooks. A forum that maintains things for us much easier is the path we've chose. All of those factbooks you've listed, except for the citizenship roster, were usually last edited months ago, and even the citizenship roster sometimes suffers from lack of attention, because it's just human error. And near to closing things up, your personal opinion does not represent the majority. That's one thing a lot of you guys need to learn as well. Things have been built and used like this for months, years even for some aspects, before you came along, and there's reason for it. 5) This idea should be in your bill, not in a debate over it. That is why your bill is a poor bill. Once again, I'm sorry for sounding like an arrogant prick, people just need to understand that no, we're never JUST saying no to your bill. There is a reason. |
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Post by Everestopia on Feb 10, 2015 19:38:52 GMT
Citizens _are_ MPs. Did you read that thing I posted on the RMB? Denounced.I said the same thing. |
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Post by Sulania on Feb 10, 2015 20:29:02 GMT
Denounced for... Well... Pretty much what Unfallious, Everest, and Vlad has said. Stating anything else would just be a repeat.
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Post by Jaslandia on Feb 12, 2015 3:24:42 GMT
I hereby denounce this bill. Like many of my colleagues, I just don't see a major need for this bill, and it will only create a bureaucratic mess.
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Post by Sulania on Feb 17, 2015 20:43:05 GMT
With a 0% Approval Rating, this bill is rendered void and shall not be passed into law.
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