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Post by Markotovia on Aug 27, 2015 1:10:53 GMT
Military Refounding Act
A resolution to reestablish, revamp, and restructure our repulsive and repressed military structure, in order to preserve the values of our Commonwealth and to assist our Allies in times of need.
Section I - Add-ons and Additions to Article 7 of the Constitution (Military Powers)1. Article 7, Section 2: The Military shall be led by the Chancellor and Minister of Defence. At most, the Minister of Defence can muster 15 men for expeditions. Will become: The Military shall be led by the Chancellor and the Minister of Defence who is also the General of the Commonwealth Army. At most, the General can muster 10 soldiers for expeditions without the need for a Cabinet Vote. However, the General must notify the Cabinet before any soldiers are sent to an ally region for active duty.2. Article 7, Section 3: If over 15 men are needed, a secret vote of the Cabinet is required. Will become: If over 10 soldiers are needed, a secret vote of the Cabinet is required. In order to proceed with active duty, the Cabinet must have agreed with a 4/6 Approval. If a tie is reached, the Chief Justice will be called to break the tie. Any secret mission carried out by the Commonwealth Army, must be made public to the CFN no longer than two weeks after the mission has ended.3. Article 7, Section 4: The Military is given free reign over its operations, but can be dissolved immediately by a popular vote within the Cabinet, with the approval of the Lord-Chancellor or the Chancellor, or even Referendum. Will become: The Military is to follow orders and directions given by the General of the Commonwealth Army. Failure to follow orders will result in the soldiers immediate expulsion from the mission. The Chancellor also has the ability to suspend soldiers at their own will, with or without the General's approval. Missions undertaken by the Military can be dissolved immediately by a vote within the Cabinet as long as it reaches a 4/6 Approval. If a tie is reached, the Chief Justice will be called to break the tie. The Chancellor can also abort a mission, without the need for a Cabinet Vote.
4. Article 7, Section 6 will be added to read: If citizens wish to impeach the General, a referendum may be called so long as 5 citizens sign it, and it passes with a 60% or higher approval rating. If the General is impeached, he/she will also lose their position of the Minister of Defence. Same outcome will occur, if the Minister of Defence is booted out of office in the Vote of Confidence.
Section II - The General of the Commonwealth Army
1. The Minister of Defence, is also the General of the Commonwealth Army. He/She shall be in charge of managing, organizing, recruiting, and decision making within the Commonwealth Military. 2. All issues within the military are to be mediated by the General. He/She has authority to suspend soldiers from service, for misdemeanours. 3. In official Military business, the General is to be styled as "Mr/Madam General".
Section III - Hierarchy of the Commonwealth Army1. Their will be 5 ranks within the Commonwealth Army: Private, Major, Colonel, General, and the High General. 2. Privates are the first and lowest ranking within the C.A. They are soldiers who have just joined, and have been on no more than two missions. 3. Majors are the second lowest ranking within the C.A. They are soldiers who have been on between 3-5 missions. 4. Colonels are the third highest ranking within the C.A. They are soldiers who have been on between 5-7 missions. They have the power to administer directions if the General is incapable of doing so. 5. The General, is the Minister of Defence. He/She is the de jure head of the Army. He/She can promote a soldier to any rank, if they deem it fit. For example, if a Major has only been on 3 missions, booths shown exemplary service, the General may promote them to Major. The General can suspend soldiers from the Army if they have behaved inappropriately. e.g) Failure to follow orders, and compromising a mission. 6. The High General, is the ceremonial position that is too be held by the Chancellor. He/She has the ability to coordinate missions with the Colonel(s), if the General is incapable. The High General can as well, promote soldiers based on their performance, even though they have not been on a certain number of missions. The High General can suspend soldiers from the Army if they have behaved inappropriately. e.g) Failure to follow orders, and compromising a mission. |
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Post by Vista Major on Aug 27, 2015 19:11:23 GMT
CRITIQUE
Article 7, Sections 2 & 3The General should only be able muster 8 persons at a time without a executive vote.A vote of the Cabinet regarding mustering over 8 persons must be public.The Chief Justice should have no bearing on the Military. Call the Parliament for a vote to break a tie in the Cabinet.Article 7, Section 4Include a clause that allows the Parliament to disband a mission, should the Cabinet not disband one itself.Lower the impeachment threshold for removing a General via referendum to a simple-majority 51%Section II, Article IAllow explicit democratic powers to the militarymen/women/otherwiseSection III, Articles 1-4FULL OPPOSITION to a hierarchal system beyond that of the General and Chancellor as joint heads. Is to be reflected in Articles 5-6 |
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Post by alberto on Aug 28, 2015 16:05:13 GMT
I will abstain from voting
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Post by Markotovia on Aug 28, 2015 17:02:47 GMT
I will abstain from voting It's not up for vote yet. It's still a WIP |
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Post by alberto on Aug 28, 2015 17:04:12 GMT
I will abstain from voting It's not up for vote yet. It's still a WIP ok |
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Post by Baxten on Sept 2, 2015 23:06:43 GMT
I wholeheartedly ENDORSE this bill.
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Post by Ehrereich on Sept 3, 2015 17:04:32 GMT
Military Refounding Act
A resolution to reestablish, revamp, and restructure our repulsive and repressed military structure, in order to preserve the values of our Commonwealth and to assist our Allies in times of need.
Section I - Add-ons and Additions to Article 7 of the Constitution (Military Powers)1. Article 7, Section 2: The Military shall be led by the Chancellor and Minister of Defence. At most, the Minister of Defence can muster 15 men for expeditions. Will become: The Military shall be led by the Chancellor and the Minister of Defence who is also the General of the Commonwealth Army. At most, the General can muster 10 soldiers for expeditions without the need for a Cabinet Vote. However, the General must notify the Cabinet before any soldiers are sent to an ally region for active duty.2. Article 7, Section 3: If over 15 men are needed, a secret vote of the Cabinet is required. Will become: If over 10 soldiers are needed, a secret vote of the Cabinet is required. In order to proceed with active duty, the Cabinet must have agreed with a 4/6 Approval. If a tie is reached, the Chief Justice will be called to break the tie. Any secret mission carried out by the Commonwealth Army, must be made public to the CFN no longer than two weeks after the mission has ended.3. Article 7, Section 4: The Military is given free reign over its operations, but can be dissolved immediately by a popular vote within the Cabinet, with the approval of the Lord-Chancellor or the Chancellor, or even Referendum. Will become: The Military is to follow orders and directions given by the General of the Commonwealth Army. Failure to follow orders will result in the soldiers immediate expulsion from the mission. The Chancellor also has the ability to suspend soldiers at their own will, with or without the General's approval. Missions undertaken by the Military can be dissolved immediately by a vote within the Cabinet as long as it reaches a 4/6 Approval. If a tie is reached, the Chief Justice will be called to break the tie. The Chancellor can also abort a mission, without the need for a Cabinet Vote.
4. Article 7, Section 6 will be added to read: If citizens wish to impeach the General, a referendum may be called so long as 5 citizens sign it, and it passes with a 60% or higher approval rating. If the General is impeached, he/she will also lose their position of the Minister of Defence. Same outcome will occur, if the Minister of Defence is booted out of office in the Vote of Confidence.
Section II - The General of the Commonwealth Army
1. The Minister of Defence, is also the General of the Commonwealth Army. He/She shall be in charge of managing, organizing, recruiting, and decision making within the Commonwealth Military. 2. All issues within the military are to be mediated by the General. He/She has authority to suspend soldiers from service, for misdemeanours. 3. In official Military business, the General is to be styled as "Mr/Madam General".
Section III - Hierarchy of the Commonwealth Army1. Their will be 5 ranks within the Commonwealth Army: Private, Major, Colonel, General, and the High General. 2. Privates are the first and lowest ranking within the C.A. They are soldiers who have just joined, and have been on no more than two missions. 3. Majors are the second lowest ranking within the C.A. They are soldiers who have been on between 3-5 missions. 4. Colonels are the third highest ranking within the C.A. They are soldiers who have been on between 5-7 missions. They have the power to administer directions if the General is incapable of doing so. 5. The General, is the Minister of Defence. He/She is the de jure head of the Army. He/She can promote a soldier to any rank, if they deem it fit. For example, if a Major has only been on 3 missions, booths but has shown exemplary service, the General may promote them to Major. The General can suspend soldiers from the Army if they have behaved inappropriately. e.g) Failure to follow orders, and compromising a mission. 6. The High General, is the ceremonial position that is too be held by the Chancellor. He/She has the ability to coordinate missions with the Colonel(s), if the General is incapable. The High General can as well, promote soldiers based on their performance, even though they have not been on a certain number of missions. The High General can suspend soldiers from the Army if they have behaved inappropriately. e.g) Failure to follow orders, and compromising a mission. Strikethroughs indicate spelling and grammatical fixes. I'll be offering critique points, below. I was not aware that your draft had been finalized, else I'd have done this before you put it to referendum. The first point here is that on the whole this document does not address the purpose and functionality of the CFN military. What are our aims? As it's stated in Article 7 of our Constitution we are neither defender, nor raider. So, mission scope needs to be considered. The missions that should be undertaken by the CFN are purely defensive in nature- IE: defense of ourselves, or allies. To that end, the muster limits of forces should not be limited from fifteen to ten, nor should they be limited. Further, there should be no need for a secret mission altogether. We're not raiding anyone. If you need to have some privacy on the matter, take it to these forums. Second: the language allowing for the removal of the General/MoD is unnecessary. There are already checks in place if their removal is necessitated. Further, a five person referendum is frankly a little too low, especially given that the Constitutional language on referendums requires a seven person vote. Third: The military structure is pretty bad. Part of this is my own anal retentiveness when it comes to military anything (I am a soldier, after all), but as there is no lack of clearly defined structure, and the further ability for the chancellor and lord chancellor to directly interfere in the operations of the Minister of Defense, it sets up the opportunity for a royal clusterfuck of epic proportions. The ranking scheme needs to be based on merit and direct appointment by the Minister of Defense. This prevents two things: Conflict of interests (IE: the chancellor interfering and making appointments of higher rank to his friends), and establishes a clearer chain of command. Affording anything more than ceremonial powers to the Lord Chancellor also screws with the chain. Fourth: speaking of chain of command- there isn't one. That's a problem. If you're going to run a military organization, have the provisions for establishing one. Ranks aren't about equality, they're about who's in charge. Just because three people all have been on multiple missions does not mean they are equally capable of leading, planning, and organizing said missions. That's what the rank system in this particular amendment accomplishes. |
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Post by Baxten on Sept 4, 2015 14:18:53 GMT
Military Refounding Act
A resolution to reestablish, revamp, and restructure our repulsive and repressed military structure, in order to preserve the values of our Commonwealth and to assist our Allies in times of need.
Section I - Add-ons and Additions to Article 7 of the Constitution (Military Powers)1. Article 7, Section 2: The Military shall be led by the Chancellor and Minister of Defence. At most, the Minister of Defence can muster 15 men for expeditions. Will become: The Military shall be led by the Chancellor and the Minister of Defence who is also the General of the Commonwealth Army. At most, the General can muster 10 soldiers for expeditions without the need for a Cabinet Vote. However, the General must notify the Cabinet before any soldiers are sent to an ally region for active duty.2. Article 7, Section 3: If over 15 men are needed, a secret vote of the Cabinet is required. Will become: If over 10 soldiers are needed, a secret vote of the Cabinet is required. In order to proceed with active duty, the Cabinet must have agreed with a 4/6 Approval. If a tie is reached, the Chief Justice will be called to break the tie. Any secret mission carried out by the Commonwealth Army, must be made public to the CFN no longer than two weeks after the mission has ended.3. Article 7, Section 4: The Military is given free reign over its operations, but can be dissolved immediately by a popular vote within the Cabinet, with the approval of the Lord-Chancellor or the Chancellor, or even Referendum. Will become: The Military is to follow orders and directions given by the General of the Commonwealth Army. Failure to follow orders will result in the soldiers immediate expulsion from the mission. The Chancellor also has the ability to suspend soldiers at their own will, with or without the General's approval. Missions undertaken by the Military can be dissolved immediately by a vote within the Cabinet as long as it reaches a 4/6 Approval. If a tie is reached, the Chief Justice will be called to break the tie. The Chancellor can also abort a mission, without the need for a Cabinet Vote.
4. Article 7, Section 6 will be added to read: If citizens wish to impeach the General, a referendum may be called so long as 5 citizens sign it, and it passes with a 60% or higher approval rating. If the General is impeached, he/she will also lose their position of the Minister of Defence. Same outcome will occur, if the Minister of Defence is booted out of office in the Vote of Confidence.
Section II - The General of the Commonwealth Army
1. The Minister of Defence, is also the General of the Commonwealth Army. He/She shall be in charge of managing, organizing, recruiting, and decision making within the Commonwealth Military. 2. All issues within the military are to be mediated by the General. He/She has authority to suspend soldiers from service, for misdemeanours. 3. In official Military business, the General is to be styled as "Mr/Madam General".
Section III - Hierarchy of the Commonwealth Army1. Their will be 5 ranks within the Commonwealth Army: Private, Major, Colonel, General, and the High General. 2. Privates are the first and lowest ranking within the C.A. They are soldiers who have just joined, and have been on no more than two missions. 3. Majors are the second lowest ranking within the C.A. They are soldiers who have been on between 3-5 missions. 4. Colonels are the third highest ranking within the C.A. They are soldiers who have been on between 5-7 missions. They have the power to administer directions if the General is incapable of doing so. 5. The General, is the Minister of Defence. He/She is the de jure head of the Army. He/She can promote a soldier to any rank, if they deem it fit. For example, if a Major has only been on 3 missions, booths but has shown exemplary service, the General may promote them to Major. The General can suspend soldiers from the Army if they have behaved inappropriately. e.g) Failure to follow orders, and compromising a mission. 6. The High General, is the ceremonial position that is too be held by the Chancellor. He/She has the ability to coordinate missions with the Colonel(s), if the General is incapable. The High General can as well, promote soldiers based on their performance, even though they have not been on a certain number of missions. The High General can suspend soldiers from the Army if they have behaved inappropriately. e.g) Failure to follow orders, and compromising a mission. Strikethroughs indicate spelling and grammatical fixes. I'll be offering critique points, below. I was not aware that your draft had been finalized, else I'd have done this before you put it to referendum. The first point here is that on the whole this document does not address the purpose and functionality of the CFN military. What are our aims? As it's stated in Article 7 of our Constitution we are neither defender, nor raider. So, mission scope needs to be considered. The missions that should be undertaken by the CFN are purely defensive in nature- IE: defense of ourselves, or allies. To that end, the muster limits of forces should not be limited from fifteen to ten, nor should they be limited. Further, there should be no need for a secret mission altogether. We're not raiding anyone. If you need to have some privacy on the matter, take it to these forums. Second: the language allowing for the removal of the General/MoD is unnecessary. There are already checks in place if their removal is necessitated. Further, a five person referendum is frankly a little too low, especially given that the Constitutional language on referendums requires a seven person vote. Third: The military structure is pretty bad. Part of this is my own anal retentiveness when it comes to military anything (I am a soldier, after all), but as there is no lack of clearly defined structure, and the further ability for the chancellor and lord chancellor to directly interfere in the operations of the Minister of Defense, it sets up the opportunity for a royal clusterfuck of epic proportions. The ranking scheme needs to be based on merit and direct appointment by the Minister of Defense. This prevents two things: Conflict of interests (IE: the chancellor interfering and making appointments of higher rank to his friends), and establishes a clearer chain of command. Affording anything more than ceremonial powers to the Lord Chancellor also screws with the chain. Fourth: speaking of chain of command- there isn't one. That's a problem. If you're going to run a military organization, have the provisions for establishing one. Ranks aren't about equality, they're about who's in charge. Just because three people all have been on multiple missions does not mean they are equally capable of leading, planning, and organizing said missions. That's what the rank system in this particular amendment accomplishes. If I remember when COLDR was here, a "secret mission" was when we would get a small force to defend one of our allies. It'd be too secret so the raider wouldn't know what to think. I think we won that mission. I would really like to become a defender region. It's put us on the World scale and we could have some influence. |
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Post by Ehrereich on Sept 4, 2015 17:08:59 GMT
Baxten: in order to change that, some specific language would need to be addressed in the constitution. This does not address that.
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Post by Markotovia on Sept 4, 2015 19:59:14 GMT
Baxten: in order to change that, some specific language would need to be addressed in the constitution. This does not address that. This bill still upholds the idea that "We are neither raider nor defender". We protect ourselves, and our allies. Which is defending Commonwealth Values |
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Post by Ehrereich on Sept 4, 2015 21:18:20 GMT
Right, and I'm telling Baxten that.
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Post by Veritasiorum on Sept 5, 2015 20:15:04 GMT
I agree with Ehrereich. There needs to be a clear chain of command, and a merit-based rather than seniority-based promotion system. Without those, a military cannot exist.
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